If you are an advocate of vaccines or an anti-vaxxer, you will find that you will never persuade the other person if you are simply arguing. People need to honestly try and be willing to see the other person’s points of view. I think the more polarized the two people having a discussion are, the more difficult it would be to try to convince the other. If you want to make an impact, one way or the other, be kind, listen, try to understand where the other person is coming from, and don’t shove your opinions down the other person’s throat. No good will come of it.
Vaccines cause autism
Generally when people have been stating autism concerns in regards to a vaccine, it is in relationship with the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine. There have been multiple studies (https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219) that have shown this is not the case. The CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm) has also stated that vaccines are very safe except for very few cases. Probabilistically, you are far better off having the vaccine.
There are also thimerosal-free flu vaccinations available. Even so, the CDCTrusted Source states that thimerosal does not cause autism.
Facebook (FB):
I believe vaccines are good for some people, maybe even most people.
Vaccines are immunization via inoculation. There are alternative immunization strategies, which are not at all popular (and not as quick, effective or convenient) like oral or dermatologic.
Corey Bishop:
Vaccines are good for everyone if they are not immunocompromised, if we are talking about vaccines that we are recommended to have boosted annually. Once a disease is near the final stages of eradication, such as polio, the decision to not vaccinate is far more complicated because vaccinating, may make it more difficult to eradicate the disease. For example, one of the 3 serotypes of polio stopped being vaccinated against a few years back. I do not follow these details closely but I do know that the decision for a vaccine campaign is not as straight forward when nearing smaller and smaller numbers in the cases.. Vaccines are a form of inoculation but if you immunize in any other way, it would still be inoculation if you are using pathogenic organisms which have been denatured in some manner. If you are using solely engineered protein, such as an engineered DNA or mRNA vaccine, that has zero probability of being able to revert to some low level of virulence then i could see how one could argue that it is not called inoculation but it would still be vaccination. You can be inoculated orally and dermatologically (transdermally (perhaps via a microneedle patch), or subcutaneously. It is also common to give vaccines sublingually or intramuscularly.
FB:
Personally, I believe in another kind of immunization, that is strengthening my body’s natural ability to fight disease.
Corey Bishop: a vaccine tells your body to fight something. You taught your immune system to fight something. Immunizing is a causative action. After you teach your body to fight something, it is naturally fighting that something.
FB:
Now, I rarely eat meat, and I don’t eat cheese or drink milk, or soft drinks, when I made these changes along with my wife we stopped getting sick, and so did our kids. I was sick most of my life.
Corey Bishop:
This is a tangent and is not related to the vaccine topic.
FB:
Compre to now, No dust allergies, no asthma, no flu, no ADD, No headaches, it’s been years now. [edited for privacy].
Corey Bishop:
Allergies and asthma and mucus could be related to antibody issues but the other mentioned items are off topic.
FB:
I think vaccines are great because they help people who cannot or will not make such extreme dietary choices, maybe because of there environment, addiction, or a host of valid reasons.
CB:
Eating healthy is important and can keep you healthier, but let’s not say that it is an alternative method of immunization.
FB:
Aspirin is great, but it doesn’t actually solve the underlying problem.
CB:
Not related to vaccines.
FB:
Type 2 Diabetics who use insulin reduce there body’s ability to make its own insulin…causing dependency.
CB:
Not related to vaccines.
FB:
We should be interdependent with vaccines, not vaccine dependent. I am happy that 100% of people don’t all think this one tool is the holy grail. There are likely certain nutrients that can help our body fight disease naturally, and quickly.
CB:
I don’t think you meant to say interdependent. Nutrients are unrelated to vaccines. And yes, some can help us fight diseases but it is not a form of immunization and there is no memory associated with it. Immunization causes our bodies to have memory such that during the next exposure, our bodies know to attack.
FB:
Other facts that I will regurgitate here is…
CB:
Go on.
FB:
– There are indeed toxic elements (even heavy metals) used in some vaccines. Though I hope to see less in the future.
CB:
If there were nothing in the formulation to tell the body there is an issue, then the body would have no reason to fire up an immune response. Without the danger signal, the vaccine doesn’t work. If you are referring to thimerosal, which is a mercury-based preservative, then my response would be that the CDC has said that thimerosal does not cause autism (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/faqs.html).
Thimerosal:
Why do some people worry about thimerosal in vaccines?
Is thimerosal still used in vaccines for children?
Are there side effects from thimerosal in vaccines?
How can I find out if thimerosal is in a vaccine?
FB:
– There is the nicknamed “vaccine court” that has paid over X$ (look it up) in damages to “victims”. The court exists because legally you cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer.
CB:
And? Are you referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
The following might surprise you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program#Compensations
FB:
– Perspective on Polio & vaccines the have an interesting correlation with a certain pesticide used which is now illegal in the US and many countries. As effective as the vaccine was at saving lives, at the same time, the US was taking measures to stop the use of a certain widespread DDThink is one of them. Some argue that disease is a cause of environmental factors, and we should prioritize and identify and resolve those in favor of more convenient options like vaccines. My 2 cents.
CB:
Polio arose because we started to have cleaner water. We were not naturally immune to the virus because people were not getting the virus in small dosages. Read Vaccine Wars. It is a fantastic book that will be very enlightening. Does this mean we shouldn’t have clean water? Yes, it was an environmental issue.
I am by no means an expert in vaccines but I am very interested in vaccines and know a little bit…
Also, my stated comments here are mine and not anybody else’s.
What is an adjuvant and why is it added to a vaccine?
An adjuvant is an ingredient used in some vaccines that helps create a stronger immune response in people receiving the vaccine. In other words, adjuvants help vaccines work better. Some vaccines that are made from weakened or killed germs contain naturally occurring adjuvants and help the body produce a strong protective immune response. However, most vaccines developed today include just small components of germs, such as their proteins, rather than the entire virus or bacteria. Adjuvants help the body to produce an immune response strong enough to protect the person from the disease he or she is being vaccinated against. Adjuvanted vaccines can cause more local reactions (such as redness, swelling, and pain at the injection site) and more systemic reactions (such as fever, chills and body aches) than non-adjuvanted vaccines.
Adjuvants have been used safely in vaccines for decades.
Aluminum salts, such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate have been used safely in vaccines for more than 70 years. Aluminum salts were initially used in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s with diphtheria and tetanus vaccines after it was found they strengthened the body’s immune response to these vaccines.
Newer adjuvants have been developed to target specific components of the body’s immune response, so that protection against disease is stronger and lasts longer.
In all cases, vaccines containing adjuvants are tested for safety and effectiveness in clinical trials before they are licensed for use in the United States, and they are continuously monitored by CDC and FDA once they are approved.
Several different adjuvants are used in U.S. vaccines.
| Adjuvant | Composition | Vaccines |
|---|---|---|
| Aluminum | One or more of the following: amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate (AAHS), aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, potassium aluminum sulfate (Alum) | Anthrax, DT, DTaP (Daptacel), DTaP (Infanrix), DTaP-IPV (Kinrix), DTaP-IPV (Quadracel), DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix), DTaP –IPV/Hib (Pentacel), Hep A (Havrix), Hep A (Vaqta), Hep B (Engerix-B), Hep B (Recombivax), HepA/Hep B (Twinrix), HIB (PedvaxHIB), HPV (Gardasil 9), Japanese encephalitis (Ixiaro), MenB (Bexsero, Trumenba), Pneumococcal (Prevnar 13), Td (Tenivac), Td (Mass Biologics), Tdap (Adacel), Tdap (Boostrix) |
| AS04 | Monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL) + aluminum salt | Cervarix |
| MF59 | Oil in water emulsion composed of squalene | Fluad |
| AS01B | Monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL) and QS-21, a natural compound extracted from the Chilean soapbark tree, combined in a liposomal formulation | Shingrix |
| CpG 1018 | Cytosine phosphoguanine (CpG), a synthetic form of DNA that mimics bacterial and viral genetic material | Heplisav-B |
| No adjuvant | ActHIB, chickenpox, live zoster (Zostavax), measles, mumps & rubella (MMR), meningococcal (Menactra, Menveo), rotavirus, seasonal influenza (except Fluad), single antigen polio (IPOL), yellow fever |
Aluminum
Aluminum-containing adjuvants are vaccine ingredients that have been used in vaccines since the 1930s. Small amounts of aluminum are added to help the body build stronger immunity against the germ in the vaccine. Aluminum is one of the most common metals found in nature and is present in air, food, and water. Scientific research has shown the amount of aluminum exposure in people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule is low and is not readily absorbed by the body. Read the research on aluminum exposure and vaccines.external icon Also, see FDA’s web page on common ingredients in U.S. licensed vaccinesexternal icon for more information.
AS04
Beginning in 2009, monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL) was used in one U.S. vaccine (Cervarix®); however, the vaccine is no longer available in the United States due to low market demand. This immune-boosting substance was isolated from the surface of bacteria.
MF59
MF59 is the adjuvant contained in Fluad (an influenza vaccine licensed for adults aged 65 or older). MF59 is an oil-in-water emulsion composed of squalene, which is a naturally occurring oil found in many plant and animal cells, as well as in humans. MF59, used in flu vaccines in Europe since 1997 and in the United States since 2016, has been given to millions of people and has an excellent safety record.
AS01B
AS01B is an adjuvant suspension used with the antigen component of Shingrix vaccine. Shingrix is the recombinant zoster vaccine recommended for persons aged 50 years or older. AS01B is made of up of monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL), an immune-boosting substance isolated from the surface of bacteria, and QS-21, a natural compound extracted from the Chilean soapbark tree (Quillaja saponaria Molina). In pre-licensure clinical trials, AS01B was associated with local and systemic reactions, but the overall safety profile was reassuring.
AS01B is also a component of vaccines currently being tested in clinical trials, including malaria and HIV vaccines. To date, these trials have included over 15,000 people.
CpG 1018CpG 1018 is a recently developed adjuvant used in Heplisav-B vaccine. It is made up of cytosine phosphoguanine (CpG) motifs, which is a synthetic form of DNA that mimics bacterial and viral genetic material. When CpG 1018is included in a vaccine, it increases the body’s immune response.
In pre-licensure clinical trials, adverse events after Heplisav-B were comparable to those observed after another U.S.-licensed, non-adjuvanted hepatitis B vaccine.
CDC and FDA closely monitor the safety of all vaccines.
CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are committed to ensuring that vaccines provided to the public are safe and effective. Once vaccines are licensed in the United States, CDC and FDA continuously monitor them through several safety systems. Learn more about CDC’s vaccine safety systems.
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) and Vaccines
Questions and Concerns
Vaccines have not been shown to cause sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
Babies receive multiple vaccines when they are between 2 to 4 months old. This age range is also the peak age for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The timing of the 2 month and 4 month shots and SIDS has led some people to question whether they might be related. However, studies have found that vaccines do not cause and are not linked to SIDS.
Multiple research studies and safety reviews have looked at possible links between vaccines and SIDS. The evidence accumulated over many years do not show any links between childhood immunization and SIDS.
Placing healthy babies on their backs to sleep reduces the risk of SIDS.
SIDS is the sudden, unexpected death of a baby younger than 1 year of age that doesn’t have a known cause even after a complete investigation. These deaths often happen during sleep or in the baby’s sleep area.
In 1992, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended that healthy babies be placed on their backs to sleep. That recommendation, along with the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development’s 1994 “Back-to-Sleep” campaign (now known as the Safe to Sleep® campaignexternal icon), encouraged caregivers to place infants on their backs to sleep, and coincided with a dramatic reduction in the SIDS rate in the United States. See the latest recommendations on a safe infant sleep environmentexternal icon from the American Academy of Pediatrics.Learn more about SIDS
Learn more about CDC resources, publications, and activities to address SIDS.
Also, research has found the rate of SIDS declined dramatically following the 1994 “Back-to-Sleep” campaign, and then stabilized in the 2000s at a time when the number of infant immunizations was increasing. The findings provide strong evidence that immunization is not linked to SIDS. See the published article on SIDS rates.
CDC and FDA closely monitor the safety of all vaccines.
CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are committed to ensuring that vaccines provided to the public are safe and effective. Once vaccines are licensed in the United States, CDC and FDA continuously monitor them through several safety systems. Learn more about CDC’s vaccine safety monitoring and research.
Related Scientific Articles
Moro PL, Perez-Vilar S, Lewis P, Bryant-Genevier M, Kamiya H, Cano M. Safety Surveillance of Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis (DTaP) Vaccinesexternal icon. Pediatrics. 2018;142(1). pii: e20174171.
Moon RY; TASK FORCE ON SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME. SIDS and Other Sleep-Related Infant Deaths: Evidence Base for 2016 Updated Recommendations for a Safe Infant Sleeping Environmentexternal icon. Pediatrics. 2016;138(5). pii: e20162940.
Moro PL, Arana J, Cano M, Lewis P, Shimabukuro TT. Deaths Reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, United States, 1997-2013external icon. Clin Infect Dis. 2015;61(6):980-7.
Eriksen EM, Perlman JA, Miller A, Marcy SM, Lee H, Vadheim C, Zangwill KM, Chen RT, DeStefano F, Lewis E, Black S, Shinefield H, Ward JI. Lack of association between hepatitis B birth immunization and neonatal death: a population-based study from the vaccine safety datalink projectexternal icon. Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2004;23(7):656-62.
Institute of Medicine (US) Immunization Safety Review Committee. Immunization Safety Review: Vaccinations and Sudden Unexpected Death in Infancyexternal icon. Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 2003.
Silvers et al. The epidemiology of fatalities reported to the vaccine adverse event reporting system 1990-1997external icon. Pharmacoepidemiol Drug Saf. 2001 Jun-Jul;10(4):279-85.
Griffin, M.R., W. A. Ray, J. R. Livengood, et al. Risk of sudden infant death syndrome after immunization with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccineexternal icon. N Engl J Med. 1988 Sep 8;319(10):618-23.
Some of the following info comes from Healthline.com:
Flu vaccines
Some people don’t get flu vaccines for themselves or for their children. There are several reasons for this, including:
- The flu vaccine doesn’t protect against all strains of the flu.
- The vaccination needs to be given every year.
- The vaccination could make them sick, which is false.
The flu vaccine is recommended for almost everyone who is six months of age or older. There are both shot and nasal spray vaccinations available, which can be used by different people.
Some people with different allergies can use one type, but not the other. It’s important that you checkTrusted Source what type of flu vaccine you should get.
Most side effects from the flu vaccine are mild and go away within 1 to 2 days.
Mistrust of science
Some opposition to vaccines comes directly from a mistrust of science, or mistrust of the government. Some people believe that pharmaceutical companies and scientists want to sell a product regardless of harmful consequences.
Others are skeptical of science that they don’t understand, or the chemicals they don’t know that go into vaccines. This distrust grows, as laws require children to be vaccinated in order to attend public schools.
Some parents prefer “natural” or homeopathic treatments instead. These treatments can aid in relieving the symptoms of some conditions, but are not as effective in preventing disease.
When people mistrust science, they’re less likely to vaccinate. They’re also less likely to trust the doctors who recommend vaccines.
Results of vaccination opposition
While some people need to forgo vaccinations due to potential allergic reactions, others refuse vaccinations for themselves or their children for many reasons.
Most of the concerns that create opposition to vaccination are nothing more than misconceptions.
Unfortunately, the decision not to vaccinate oneself or one’s children doesn’t just affect them. The large number of people refusing vaccines has led to the reemergence of infectious diseases in areas where they had been eradicated or nearly gone.
MeaslesTrusted Source was declared eradicated in the United States in 2002. But in 2014, there were over 600 reported cases. Measles is a potentially deadly disease, and health experts explain that parents refusing to vaccinate their children are the cause behind its resurgence.
Pertusis, or whooping cough, has also seen a dramatic increase in reported cases attributed to a lack of vaccinations.
If you have concerns about a vaccination for you or your child, talk with a doctor that you trust and get their opinion. In almost all cases, the potential risk of a vaccine is much smaller than the risk of developing the disease it was created to prevent.
Here is a list of websites that I believe (my own thoughts and no other entity I am affiliated with):
Anti-vaxxing websites that are not scientifically sound
| https://www.openvaers.com/ (States false information as fact) |
| https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/ (Causes confusion/anger) |
| Search engines are doing a good job keeping garbage from search results though (Thank you!!) |